Comments on: Jov sez: Healing myself out of a job

By: Fuyuko

Fuyuko — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:12:01 +0000

This post inspired me so much that wrote a post about my thoughts on the subject at my blog. I hope you don’t mind! I linked back to you. =)

I just find this whole process of raid role comps very intriguing.

http://unconventionalpriest.blogspot.com/2009/09/healing-where-being-too-good-can-be-bad.html

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By: Jaede

Jaede — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:11:11 +0000

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By: Dionysian

Dionysian — Sun, 26 Jul 2009 13:54:38 +0000

awesome post, jov, though you are somewhat preaching to the choir given that most of your readers are healers. not that we ever really expect the dps monkeys to “get it”

By: Kristine

Kristine — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:05:30 +0000

See it as an opportunity, not a problem. With dual specs raids should embrace the possibility to tune the healer/dps ratio from raid to raid and sometimes from fight to fight.
There are lots of healers who got pushed from DPS cause “omgz we needz teh helurs”. Let them dps for a bit.
There are lots of dps who have dualspecced to healing. Have them heal when you need extra healing, so you dont need to recruit into oblivion.

Encourage dualspecs and offspec loot and you will get a raid that is flexible and can easily adapt when raid composition matter.

By: Elleiras

Elleiras — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:04:12 +0000

There is no way you can have a dual spec healer/dps and have equally good gear in progression raiding.

I disagree. By the time a guild is capable of hard-modes, its dual-spec healers should have had ample time to build raid-viable off-sets — provided that the guild’s leadership has made that possible. We identified our “official hybrids” at the start of the tier, and prioritized off-spec gear to them (after main-specs, of course, before non-hybrids’ off-specs). None of our healers were required to dual-spec for DPS, but we made a point of helping those who volunteered to gear for both roles. We haven’t had to sit a healer yet.

By: Rob

Rob — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:56:08 +0000

Not to mention the gear issue. There is no way you can have a dual spec healer/dps and have equally good gear in progression raiding. The healer gear always comes first, then the dps gear is an afterthought if you have dkp and nobody wants it, oh and the primary cloth dps doesn’t need it. And naxx gear doesn’t really cut it for hardmodes, I know (not that i’ve been there).

So, yeah, no option but benching the healers until they get their dps gear up high enough to pull their own weight. Its BS but what can you do. It screws over healers and it makes progression harder.

By: Juzaba

Juzaba — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:22:35 +0000

I disagree with the folks who say dual-speccing is the answer to the dilemma. For one, like Jov & Ambrosyne said, many healers are dual-specced for healing. Others are for PvE/PvP. You might find the occasional paladin or druid who is specced heals/tanking. So some amount of coordination is required for this to work.

Also, not everyone who heals is going to be able to put out the DPS required for various hard mode encounters. This isn’t knocking healers’ skill (since I know a number of fantastic healer/DPS combos), but people ought to recognize that most Trees can’t just put on some rogue leather and go JOHN FUCKING MADDEN! on a boss the way your dedicated Cat can.

Guilds that are just starting those hardmodes really need the DPS, which is why they pulled the healers in the first place. But if that’s true you want folks in the DPS slots who can hit the very best numbers, have the most experience with their role, and can switch mindsets on demand with good gear sets for both specs.

Again, there are a lot of folks who can fill these shoes. But I don’t think the answer is as easy as “Tell the priest to go spec shadow and get a Dot Timer.”

By: Zusterke

Zusterke — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 07:28:52 +0000

I seem to have been spared from this a lot. Our guild always manages to have too few healers. Needing less healers is then welcomed

But I agree it is an aggrevating issue. And for some reason, I dunno why, there’s always that one dps idiot rubbing it in when it happens. I’m not saying dps are unsportive… but there’s always that one guy, that one bloody damned guy that just has to make a remark about it or make it sound so easy to just flush away your spec and gear ‘for the sake of the team’. 9 times out of 10, he never returned the favor.

By: Pugnacious Priest

Pugnacious Priest — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:23:43 +0000

yep I’ve noticed this on some of our hardmode attempts – and also We do Yogg 25 with Minimal healers – so that means not as many healers have the achievement/kill/loot oportunities – and everyone was crying out for healers not too long ago..